So today I returned my madmans. Just coudlnt justify the price, even with FF discount. I really tried to like them, I really did. That was the 2nd one I returned. First time was full retail and I felt that definitley was not worth it. The 2nd time with FF discount...saved over 100 bucks but still...not worth 300 IMO. ..I'll stick with my 2 juliets. Thats all the x metals i have. These are much more durable with titanium alloy and justify price point with the diffficult manufacturing process. A real Oakley gem. Not these Next Metals with cheap aluminum and plastic..