Ok dont hate me but....In my mind there are two Oakley's..... Oakley commons and true Oakleys. The new "crap" is meant for the masses and you have to weed through 80% junk to find the stuff that matters. The "Triggerman" are cheap no doubt. I had a pair and sold them because of how cheap they felt. The Catalyst are ugly in my opinion but they may look good on people. I see a lot of junk rolling out the lab these days.