Been a while since i was active on here. In the process of buying a ranch and thats been all consuming... Well i couldnt resist. I love the R2 frame and i saw this in craigslist and was able to get the guy down from 250 to 140. Probably over paid, but my goal is to have them refinished in x metal, toss some taco rubys in and call it a day! So all saidand done, maybe 250 into them. But a killer pair!