I took a shot on a pair that could have gone either way. Bad description (ok pics), but if they were in good shape it was a pretty good price. If they were in bad shape $200 shipped wouldn't have been the worst for a 4th gen plasma project. Well they arrived and I'd give them a 9-9.5. Tight, perfect frame other than the slightest discoloration around the nose pins (most cleaned off) and like new rubber. I can't see anything on the lenses. They were just a little dirty... Three Juliet's now (plasma, polished, carbon) what next?!?