a few days ago i bought a pair of crystal red with red iridium Frogskins off ebay. They were listed as "frogskin" only so didnt get much attention and i got them for a good price. I got them yesterday and right off the bat, they felt cheap and fake, but then again, i've only dealt with newer frogskins, not these 2nd gen from the 90s. Here are a few characteristics: inside the arm says "frogskins" instead of "Frogskins" There is no Oakley serial number (did 90s models have them?) plastic feels cheap hinges are not as fluid as you would think they should be "Oakley" logo on outside of arms IS Raised and seems to be of high quality. any help, thanks! PS i can show you the ebay listing with pics if needed.