2020 US Presidential Election Thread

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[Tom.]

remember when sheeple was a thing?
The people that thought they had discovered enlightenment and were calling some other group sheeple, are typically, the sheeple. As such;
Sheeple calling sheeple sheeple.
is an accurate statement.

What do you mean? Please clarify

 

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[Zax]

If there are shenanigan's with our voting system, would it be fair to also assume that there were fraudulent/illegal ballots cast for republicans as well? I'm legitimately curious what others are thinking.

I honestly don't understand how one would cheat. From my perspective, it wouldn't be worth any risk to do so. I feel like it would take an extraordinary collaborative effort from hundreds of thousands, which would definitely alert the government...right?

Am I missing something? Not rumors/conspiracy's, but definitive and legitimate proof? I am interested in hearing the results of all of these legal battles.

 

[Atticus]

If there are shenanigan's with our voting system, would it be fair to also assume that there were fraudulent/illegal ballots cast for republicans as well? I'm legitimately curious what others are thinking.

I honestly don't understand how one would cheat. From my perspective, it wouldn't be worth any risk to do so. I feel like it would take an extraordinary collaborative effort from hundreds of thousands, which would definitely alert the government...right?

Am I missing something? Not rumors/conspiracy's, but definitive and legitimate proof? I am interested in hearing the results of all of these legal battles.

These are some pretty tight races with small counts of swing votes - if some are fake, it could have an impact.

For instance, PA had roughly 50 counties. If each county were to "fake" just 100 votes, then that could change the the outcome. (And, I understand most counties are small, but I think you get my generic math here)

 

[Zax]

These are some pretty tight races with small counts of swing votes - if some are fake, it could have an impact.

For instance, PA had roughly 50 counties. If each county were to "fake" just 100 votes, then that could change the the outcome. (And, I understand most counties are small, but I think you get my generic math here)

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I do understand that. How would one coordinate that without it coming out in public? I'm genuinely curious. With how much power the government has listening in on every little conversation, it surprises me that something this elaborate could be pulled off without a single notice.

If there is some organization doing this, they should be fined and jailed accordingly and votes thrown out.

But are we to believe that there wasn't anything being done on both sides? I'm serious - are there any republicans here who believe their party is 100% clear of any fraud/illegal activity?

Edit: help me understand please. When the democrats lost in 2016, I didn't automatically come to the conclusion Trump cheated. It never even crossed my mind... I didn't buy into the whole Russian Collusion thing either. I want to understand where others are coming from

 

[Atticus]

I do understand that. How would one coordinate that without it coming out in public? I'm genuinely curious. With how much power the government has listening in on every little conversation, it surprises me that something this elaborate could be pulled off without a single notice.

If there is some organization doing this, they should be fined and jailed accordingly and votes thrown out.

But are we to believe that there wasn't anything being done on both sides? I'm serious - are there any republicans here who believe their party is 100% clear of any fraud/illegal activity?

Edit: help me understand please. When the democrats lost in 2016, I didn't automatically come to the conclusion Trump cheated. It never even crossed my mind... I didn't buy into the whole Russian Collusion thing either. I want to understand where others are coming from

The 2016 election wasn't that close - but, remember the Gore/Bush election? I think I recall people questioning a lot in that race in FL. And, BTW, I have no issue with Biden winning. I don't think a ton of Trump voters do. We've had democratic presidents before and the country has faired quite well. - I do question the SJW culture and the ACA - I'm tired of cancel culture, too, but I think that will cancel itself in the next year or less. I was behind the ACA in the beginning, but Obama dropped the ball. It was to be a stepping stone and he never carried that ball over the line so we are stuck in limbo. It just made my company provided insurance more expensive from my POV. I'm sure others will disagree and that's fine. I can only express my experience.

I think this comes down to the inherent insecurity in mail in voting. When I go to a polling place, I show my ID and they check my signature. With mail in, there's no ID check and PA decided to let signatures slide...can't speak to the other states.

Pennsylvania ballots can’t be tossed out over voters' signatures, court says

The prospect of disqualified mail-in ballots poses a greater threat to Biden’s candidacy.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Zax]

The 2016 election wasn't that close - but, remember the Gore/Bush election? I think I recall people questioning a lot in that race in FL. And, BTW, I have no issue with Biden winning. I don't think a ton of Trump voters do. We've had democratic presidents before and the country has faired quite well. - I do question the SJW culture and the ACA - I'm tired of cancel culture, too, but I think that will cancel itself in the next year or less. I was behind the ACA in the beginning, but Obama dropped the ball. It was to be a stepping stone and he never carried that ball over the line so we are stuck in limbo. It just made my company provided insurance more expensive from my POV. I'm sure others will disagree and that's fine. I can only express my experience.

I think this comes down to the inherent insecurity in mail in voting. When I go to a polling place, I show my ID and they check my signature. With mail in, there's no ID check and PA decided to let signatures slide...can't speak to the other states.

Pennsylvania ballots can’t be tossed out over voters' signatures, court says

The prospect of disqualified mail-in ballots poses a greater threat to Biden’s candidacy.

www.nbcnews.com

You are correct regarding the 2016 election. I was still relatively young with Bush v. Gore, so I never really watched closely or cared to be honest haha.

 

[Atticus]

You are correct regarding the 2016 election. I was still relatively young with Bush v. Gore, so I never really watched closely or cared to be honest haha.

That's when I learned what a "chad" is...ha. The term "hanging chad" was coined during that election. It was really, really close to the point people wanted to go through and remove these little pieces of paper that were "knocked out" when they voted. (There wasn't widespread electronic voting back then) Some chads didn't get removed the whole way and went back into position so votes weren't counted when going through the reader. But people, mainly republicans, didn't want that to happen because people would manually be manipulating the cards. I voted for Gore that year...I often wonder how 9/11 and the aftermath would have been handled with Gore in place and not Bush/Cheney.

 

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