2020 US Presidential Election Thread

[ItnStln]

Of course you have to pay for it. You pay taxes and get services. That's how it works.

Wrong! In the US it's the ones who aren't paying Federal Income Tax that get the services.

 

[ItnStln]

No doubt, it's expensive. But the rich could be a taxed a heck of a lot more than they are. That's a big problem regardless of socialist policies. Tax burden is squarely on the middle class right now. And that's not unique to the US.

I pay more in annual taxes than some people make. In other words, I pay too much and get no benefits from the system. Meanwhile there's welfare queens who keep ****ting kids out who have better health care and housing than I do, and I pay for that! I agree that the tax burden is on the middle class, but it should be on all Americans. The tax code does need to be revamped, but it must be fair.

 

[ItnStln]

Why?

I'd say communism is bad. Socialism? Not so much. And I certainly don't have an issue with a free system with social programs.

They're both bad. You can pay my share of the "free system with social programs" because I pay too much for it already.

 

[xmetalx]

Wrong! In the US it's the ones who aren't paying Federal Income Tax that get the services.

Socialism/social programs work pretty well in other countries. Even Obamacare (which was an attempt to marry public/private together) has become popular in the US.

I don't get the fear here.

 

[ItnStln]

Socialism/social programs work pretty well in other countries. Even Obamacare (which was an attempt to marry public/private together) has become popular in the US.

I don't get the fear here.

Parts of obamacare might be popular, but I hardly doubt the whole thing is popular, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. Prior to obamacare I paid $50 for health insurance per month. After that bill was passed my health insurance went to over $500 per month and there was no increase in my coverage. At the time I was only making $8 per hour so it's not like I could afford it. My story isn't unique, as I know a lot of people who couldn't afford health insurance so they dropped it. Being covered until 26 under a parent's plan is good, but not everyone was. As for preexisting conditions, I read back then that some plans allowed you to be covered with them as they wanted to be competitive. Health insurance should be like auto insurance in that you can be covered, but the rate will depend on several factors. People who are unhealthy need to pay more as they are using the system more, just like auto insurance.

 

[ZCForge]

Socialism/social programs work pretty well in other countries. Even Obamacare (which was an attempt to marry public/private together) has become popular in the US.

I don't get the fear here.

Did Venezuela tell you that?

Thought you said you were bouncing?

 

[Zax]

Parts of obamacare might be popular, but I hardly doubt the whole thing is popular, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. Prior to obamacare I paid $50 for health insurance per month. After that bill was passed my health insurance went to over $500 per month and there was no increase in my coverage. At the time I was only making $8 per hour so it's not like I could afford it. My story isn't unique, as I know a lot of people who couldn't afford health insurance so they dropped it. Being covered until 26 under a parent's plan is good, but not everyone was. As for preexisting conditions, I read back then that some plans allowed you to be covered with them as they wanted to be competitive. Health insurance should be like auto insurance in that you can be covered, but the rate will depend on several factors. People who are unhealthy need to pay more as they are using the system more, just like auto insurance.

$500 a month! That’s insane. I pay much less for a family of 4

 

[ItnStln]

Did Venezuela tell you that?

Thought you said you were bouncing?

I was thinking China, but you might be right with Venezuela.

 

[XxuversxX]

 

[pjd1234]

...and? There’s plenty of tax money to go around if we prioritize it a little differently. There’s no reason the supposedly “wealthiest country on earth” can’t find the funds to support its citizens.

True, i mean these clowns are giving away money for free, but unfortunately not enough to its citizens